Dr David Cartland - NHS Silencing Whistleblowers: Is the GMC Fit for Purpose?

21.8.23

Transcript

(Hearts of Oak)
Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr.
David Cartland, who's back with us again. And David joins us to discuss his experiences of being investigated over two years now by the General Medical Council, the GMC.
It is the regulatory body that investigates doctors' malpractice or failures. And because of initially anonymous reports complaining about a social media profile, he has been investigated.
He discusses that process and the GMC have absolute power, they can remove a doctor's ability to practice medicine in the UK. So it is, they are judge and jury, court martial. We also go into how the NHS silences whistle-blowers. He shares some of the stories of his patients that he has seen vaccine injuries and we also discuss his difficulty of simply getting a job as a locum in surgeries. 

Dr. David Cartland, it's wonderful to have you back with us. Thank you so much for your time today. 

(Dr David Cartland)

No, thanks for having me, Peter. It's always a pleasure to chat. 

Good to chat. I think last time you were with me is probably our last video at the end of last year. Time flies past, but it's good to have you back. Lots to cover, not only about you but what you see professionally. But if I can @CartlandDavid on Twitter, that's where you can follow David's many pieces of information put out regularly. So if you're not already following him, do. Although,
David, you've become quite high profile. Maybe just touch on that and then before we get onto of the GMC stuff and some of the cases you see.
But what is it like to be kind of the voice of reason? Because I guess when you go into profession, you're there as part of the system. You put your head down, you do the good that you've been trained to do.
It's quite different for you because a lot of doctors now in the media, in the public sphere, are talking about. What has it been like over the last three years? 

It's really strange because I get a lot of feedback that I've kind of stuck my head above the parapet and I'm brave and I've got balls of steel or whatever they say, but you know I see it as simply my duty to do what I've done.
You know I've said this many times, you know, I've stuck my neck on the line but really not because I've spoke out about ethical principles of consent, bodily autonomy, not coercing patients to take medical treatments that they aren't being fully informed about number one, but you know, that we haven't got any safety data for, you know, defending children and pregnant moms, you know, there was never any roll out data for both cohorts. And so that's the two easy wins, I thought I picked, you know, the ethical issues and the pregnancy safety, lack of safety data and the children and vaccine injuries and speaking out about lockdowns and masks and for doing so, you know, the NHS supposedly supports whistle blowing, they call it a learning culture, a no-blame culture, let's talk about these things without any blame until you whistle blow.
And then, like I found out, to my detriment in a couple of arenas, really, as soon as you whistle blow about concerns that you've got. Concerns that still to this day remain unanswered.
That's the other thing. You could easily shut me off with some data. Very easy to do.
Correct my blasphemous views on all of this, just sit me down and show me the error of my ways and hasn't happened for two and a half days. It's been a full two and a half years, should I say.
It's been a cancel culture as other people in the arena have found, you know, you look at Andrew Bridgen, all he did was ask questions and asked to take a closer look at the data. You look at footballers, Matt Le Tissier, you know, speaking out and saying, look, we need to look at this, footballers are collapsing left, right and centre, let's stop, let's investigate this. Similar to me, I'm just saying like this isn't ethically right, this isn't safe, we're not following evidence-based practice here, but yeah to somehow out of all of this become, I googled myself the other day because I said a third's really let me go because they said they'd googled me, so I thought let's.
Have five minutes and see what you can come up with when you google Dave Cartland.
One thing that comes up is internet personality, so that's the surrealness of where we are at the moment in that for somehow doing the job, following my Hippocratic oath, following principles of safety evidence based practice and ethics and these are all GMC guidance's as well you know I keep reminding on Twitter my fellow colleagues of the guides the guidelines that we have you know about the duty of candour whistleblowing ethics you know making sure you know we're gaining informed consent these are all enshrined in the GMC and as we'll talk about later on in the discussion the GMC they've got some slightly double standards when it comes to who to go after. 

I guess there was some point where it went from criticism within the profession, so disagreements with fellow doctors, fellow professionals, to a, more bigger investigation and checking up. I mean how did that step change come?

Yeah, where to start with that? So yeah, I mean, it has been kind of, it started off as kind of anonymous reporting. So the first I ever heard of the GMC, being involved in me was, I found it in my junk email box from my NHS mail account, saying that there'd been some sort of hearing about me about spreading COVID misinformation, and that a decision had been made that there was no case to answer for. This was in April, I think, 2021, it goes all the way back to that.

That was without your input, you just... 

So that was without my knowledge, my input, but even though they found there was no case to answer, they escalated it to NHS Performance Advisory Committee.
And so you'll see on Twitter, I posted a reflective piece they asked me to do at that point to explain how I got to my position. I actually got to present to the GMC at the time as well, not the GMC, NHS PAG committee and their six doctors.
I had the floor for about an hour, went through data, my concerns, and with specific reference to the reflective piece that I posted.
And, you know, at the very end, I just said to them, any comment, any information on what, you know, any rebuttal to what I presented?
And they just said, look, we're not here to discuss the content of your views on COVID.
We're here to discuss, and it was a really strange comment they made.
They said, we're here to discuss your mental health, your fitness to practice, and your fitness for purpose.
I always remember that comment, fitness for purpose. And it kind of all fizzled out after that.
They closed the case, and then pretty much, you know, every month or two, I'd get a dumping from the GMC saying we've had these 15, mostly anonymous complaints from various characters, either from Twitter or ex-colleagues I used to work with saying, we've had these 15, 20 complaints just to let you know, FYI, this is the content that's sending you the redacted complaints.
And you'd just been told that you were getting this flurry of complaints about COVID misinformation, conspiracy theories, and all the rest of it. And some of them are quite comical.
I was called a dangerous individual, I've been called Harold Shipman 2023.
And all the rest of it and so you know they were throwing them out which is good but then it kind of got a little bit more nefarious in that you know, firstly the council culture in my own community, so I've been you know, I've been I moved down to Cornwall for the work life balance, I didn't wake up one morning and say I tell you what I'm going to be a crazy anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist and commit career suicide. I said what I saw I had genuinely held and still unrebutted concerns as previously mentioned on safety ethics and an evidence-based medicine and not being followed.
And for that, I've received a cancellation, blacklisting. I've applied recently for, in Cornwall, we've got a lack of doctors. We've got a massive issue with GPs in particular.
I'm an ED-trained GP, so I'm kind of dual-trained, and I teach medical students.
I've got background in science.
I'm a published scientist, did a degree with quite heavy weighting in immunology.
And we've got somewhere around 25 jobs out there all the time, consistently. Whenever you look at the website advertising for GP jobs, there's always 25 jobs.
So I applied for 25 jobs about six, seven months ago, and I got three responses.
The rest just ignored me.
Their jobs are still being advertised, by the way. And the three letters that I got back were essentially we don't employ anti-vaxxers or your views on vaccines don't align with the ethos of our vaccine centre, for example.
So it started off like that.
And even now, I mean, I've been let go from locum surgeries now because I retweeted an Andrew Tate video six months ago.
That's a genuine example of why I've just been let go from three weeks worth of work, you know, and I didn't really know who Andrew Tate was. If I'm honest, I must've just seen something on Twitter, retweeted it without doing a full, you know, biography check on the person.
And then that was enough cause for the GP surgery to let me go.
And that was actually a surgery that had massively positive feedback from the work that I'd done.
And then the other surgeries then, you know, putting the phone down on agencies they mentioned the name Dr Cartland, literally putting the phone down on them saying and then the agency would get back to them and say was that technically correct.
Was that a technical issue with the line? I said, no, no, no.
You mean Dr. David Cartland from Cornwall? Oh, no, no, we don't employ anti-vaxxers at our surgery.
We'd rather not employ a doctor.
We would rather have no doctor than have him.
And there's been several examples across the last six months where surgeries have gone without a medic for a whole day than have me, who's offered my services to them.
And I've got email confirmation of that. So it started off a little bit like that, cancellation in my locality.
I mean, cancellation by the village that I live in, the town I live in.
Literally bizarre because as you mentioned earlier you know outside of Cornwall, I'm quite, there's a profile there you know people know who I am people recognize me but not in my home village they think I'm a leper and they treat me like a leper so very odd and then the GMC stuff started a bit more insidiously then with with the usual suspects on Twitter.. 

So okay tell us what the GMC the General Medical Council there'll be many watching not in the UK so what exactly is that body what does it do?

So the GMC are there, General Medical Council are there to kind of oversee doctors conduct, doctors you know any issues around their abilities practice safely, you know so clinical negligence etc so they've got kind of lots of overreach into into what doctors do but I mean the way you complain about a doctor is you can literally go on to an online page completely you can say anything you want and I've seen this in action, like literally you can say, Dr. Cartland tweeted this.
And this was what a lot of the complaints were that I was getting.
It was about social media activity.
But I did come across, you know, I had the devil in me at some point in the past, about seven or eight months ago.
And I decided to do a sort of feature on Twitter where I went into some of the TV doctors.
And I thought, I'm going to out some of the outrageous statements that Van Tam, Chris Whitty, Matt Hancock.
I did a week of going after the politicians and just quoted what they said in their own press conferences and, you know, the next slide, please, conferences that they were doing. And then I moved on to the TV doctors. And I went to Dr. Ranj, Dr. Amir Khan, Dr. Sarah Kayat, Dr.
Hilary Jones, and I basically published the biggest whoppers that they'd ever told, you know, like, Dr. Ranj said, you know, take one COVID-19 vaccine, and you're 100%, 100%, it's always 100% safe and effective of avoiding hospital or going, becoming unwell, or dying of COVID-19. That's what he said, or worse. And I just posted it. And that's been taken now by the GMC to be examples of my bullying.
The charges against me at the moment are bullying, incitement of hatred to fellow professionals, and online harassment.
So they've tried the misinformation, they've tried the mental health, they've tried the conspiracy theories on professional behaviour, social media guidance, and now they've moved on to what can only be described as a coordinated complaint.
I've got evidence of all the complainants collaborating together in chat rooms, and making this an effort to get me struck off.
So as we stand today, you know, I've been all of the complainants, for example, have been given the chance to give an oral statement against me. You know, Dr. Ranj gave a 110 page victim statement in inverted commas. And it was like reading a fantasy novel. Honestly, I've read it, it's an embarrassment really to the GMC, but they've took it seriously on the lines of bullying and harassment. And what have I done? I've posted 'This Morning' interview where he made outrageous claims that misled a lot of people, you know, nothing's 100% RSA, you know, this cup of tea, it's not 100% safe, I could choke on it, I could drop the cup on my foot, I could drop, you know, the hot liquid on my crotch, you know, and it's not, it's not 100% safe, is it? So all of these doctors made the claim of 100% safety. One particular complainant said it was 100% safe to
vaccinate pregnant women, and then went on to say that the vaccine reduced miscarriage rates, and then went on to equally tell a whopper around what technology was used in the vaccine, saying it was identical to the influenza vaccine, without naming names for this particular doctor.
But, you know, they've been able to formulate that my retweet of, you know, their false claims has been labelled as, what did they say in the one complaint, I've set my anti-vax mob upon them, and, you know, they're all playing the mental health card now, saying that because of Dr Cartland, they're suffering with their mental health and anxiety and all the rest of it playing the victim beautifully.
Very strange goings on and to me I mean it's a big overreach really GMC are they there to comment on my twitter feed? you know that's what it seems to have come down to.

But well, what is the the process do you get an email or letter through to say you need to appear in front of somewhere, just being told you're under investigation and you said you were before them so what input do you have with that?

That's a really good question, so in all in all of this you get kind of, you get I'm infamous at GMC now so I've got my own complaints member of staff so I've been allocated my own member of staff for the inundation that they've had.
But essentially that person will then update me on the process.
And the process has been the three complainants have been given the oral witness statements.
And they've gone to town on me really and dug back into my timeline.
There's clear collaboration between them. Meaning one particular complaint, the GMC have actually helped the complainant go through my Twitter feed and look at interviews to look for examples of alleged transphobia.
So there was a period about three months ago where I went in heavy on the strange things that we're seeing in the sexualization of children, sex trafficking.
There's the drag queen story hour that we've had in Cornwall.
Some of the videos I'm seeing online about inappropriate things going on in front of children.
People clad in gimp suits with kids stroking them.
You've probably seen the images. Men clad with sex toys all over them, multi-coloured sex toys, making a complete fool of themselves really in front of children.
And calling that out, and again, charge number eight on the GMC charge list is I've showed hostility towards the LGBTQ community.
I've had lots of input from LGBTQ people, show me a lot of support, actually, because they're fed up of it.
They're fed up of this kind of leaning into the agenda and the overreach of it, this minor attracted persons, the, we need to start having sympathy for paedophilia, we need to start looking deep into the psychology, normalizing it and then going off on things like, you know, in schools now we've got kids in our locality identifying as cats. I mean, how on earth have we ended up with that? You know, when we've got people being referred off a puberty blockade at the age of 12 and genital mutilation, that to the GMC there is evidence of my hostility towards LGBTQ and they're jumping on anything at the moment. Clearly I've got a target on my head.

So none of it has to do necessarily with your medical understanding or ability or giving someone the wrong drugs. It's simply your views, what's in your head.
And it's strange how a tweet can affect how you actually carry out, listen to a patient diagnosing them. It's, their opposites.

They're saying it just affects confidence in the profession, so another colleague, I won't mention the name at the moment, is having a case reopened for bringing the profession into disrepute.
Affecting public confidence with their conspiracy theories in inverted commas. But I mean, I'll tell you what's happened, just to finish off what I meant to say just about the GMC proceedings. So all three complainants got the chance of an oral statement. They've been either to the building in GMC HQ or they've given a Zoom, you know, face-to-face. I've not been afforded that privilege so basically what they've done is clumped all three complaints together into about 600 pages of evidence and I mean the evidence is pathetic, simple as that it's not it wouldn't you know if it was a murder case it would be thrown out, you know it's absolutely embarrassing but all the way through this I've got a clear evidence of all three complainants colluding, inciting against me, getting people to and they've done it for other doctors like Aseem Malhotra, please report this doctor to the GMC, well that's incitement isn't it. And I've got evidence of this.
In fact, one of the complainants has been, is a very notorious chap on Twitter.
Again, I can't name his name, but a notorious bully, troll, spreader of misinformation.
And this guy has been bullying me for two years and has had the audacity to accuse me of bullying.
I said to the GMC, I've got pages and pages of information where he's called me Harold Shipman or he's had me arrested or I've been struck off.
I'm dangerous, I'm dodgy, I'm unsafe to practice, I'm a liar.
I've got all of these screenshots. He's even questioned my mental health, publicly saying I should be sectioned, I'm mentally unstable.
He's been speaking to my family and they're all increasingly concerned about my mental health. I've got all this, but can you show it to the GMC? Do they want to see it?
No, they don't. not letting me give, you know, get beyond the administrative system to speak to a decision maker. So it's been very much guilty till proven innocent and they backed that up by, about a month ago, they demanded of me my full, you know, who I work for as a locum, what surgeries, which hospitals I work in and they wanted me to go back six months to name what surgeries I work at and the reason for that was they wanted to send out a letter before I've even had a chance to give evidence to say Dr. Cartland has been accused by some high profile TV doctors of bullying, harassment and online incitement and that's gone out to every surgery that I've either worked for or currently worked for and I absolutely begged them not to do that. I said look, this is clearly a guilty till proven innocent approach to the situation, please let me at least give my chance of defending myself. I mean to be fair to them, they've been clear in the letter that, you know there is no fitness to practice hearing here and it's not, you know, they haven't even made a decision on that they're just collating so what's the point of sending the letter. I said to them this is only going to give me financial and reputational damage, they still sent it and since then the three surgeries have not offered me a single locum shift, so as predicted they want to wait till the investigation's over and that's natural of course, why would you want to employ a doctor by choice that, you know, it's hard enough for me to get a surgery to take me for half a day when they're absolutely desperate, you know, it's it's such a waste but can't explain that. Guilty to all, even innocent. 

How long has the process with the GMC, how long has that been going on for and how long does it, is there a fixed time period, can they keep it open for indefinitely, what's the process?

Yeah that's a great question as well, I don't know, I've not been very transparent through the whole time, it's been, I've been dangled by a piece of string since like I say April two years ago, with various different, you know, aspects, like I say I first found out about investigation from a junk email. It's just the communication has been terrible as well. They've not kept me up to date really. They keep telling me they dropped a lot of the charges against me without informing me that they dropped a lot of charges against me. What GMC like to do as well is they send you emails that are quite anxiety inducing about five to five in the evening, and they're all knocking off at five o'clock. So even in that approach it's like well.
There's method in that, they're doing that on purpose, you know, to send an email at 10 to 5 with, you know, this is the witness statement for Dr. X and then you're going into the weekend and you can't fight your corner and, you know, all they've done along in terms of pastoral care, you know, at the end of the day this is very stressful, you know, I'm going into the next month not knowing if I'm going to be in front of a fitness to practice hearing for the crimes of promoting evidence-based practice ethics and safety.
And I don't know where my next pay check's coming from. It's just, it's bizarre.
And all they've done is they've given me a Samaritan's number and to contact the BMA 24-hour helpline, completely separate to them. There's been no pastoral support.
In fact, there's been no pastoral support at all. I've tried all through the last year to reach out.
It's hard enough to do that as a doctor, reaching out to other doctors, and I've ended up passed from pillar to post. No one can offer me any support, any help.
I even went to my own GP at a time when I was having a lot of stress, I wasn't sleeping.
GP essentially, in a nutshell, signed me off work for six months with stress and depression.
Sent me bucket loads of antidepressants, sleeping tablets and anxiolytics and then zero point during that, I've still got the boxes by the way, I never used them, but the point I was trying to make is not one single doctor or nurse spoke to me in that six months and assessed me and gave me copious amounts of drugs during that time and signed me up and made a diagnosis actually based upon e-consults, which is what doctors are doing now. They're not even seeing patients to this day. They're still doing telephone consults, you know, triaging everything out, you know, only seeing on the day emergencies and this is what's contributing in a way to some, only a small amount of the excess mortality that we see and they're just not seeing patients hence, not diagnosing or processing and doing their job, still hiding behind the COVID. I worked at a surgery a few weeks ago and the doctors are all still masked up. They've got two, three masks on some of them, gloves on, aprons on, visors, they change between every patient and they've had five or six jabs at each of these doctors. So we've created this bizarre kind of germ OCD phobia kind of mentality. I can't explain it. 

It is. Maybe four months ago, five months ago, I went to the hospital with one of my kids and I went in and the doctor said, I'm sorry, you'll obviously need to wear a mask. I said, I'm exempt. He goes, no, no, no, you can't be exempt. I said, yes, I'm exempt, I can show you, the government. And he goes, oh well, it's too dangerous.
If you refuse to wear a mask, we'll have to have the consultation in the corridor.
So we moved out of his room and we were in the corridor of a busy hospital and he carried out the consultation in the corridor, because the corridor was safe, but his room was not. And I thought, you don't even argue when you're with children, you just... 

And this is in 2023, Peter, isn't it? The insanity continues and now we've got the old... Eris, is it? Eris, the variant, and they're trying to stoking up the fear porn.
The goddess of destruction, they've named this one after all, chaos or something like that.
So they're really working on getting the anxiety levels up and people will fall for it.
The doctors have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.
Absolutely easy meat it's been to con the doctors. I mean, how to explain what happens to you there?
You know, you've been taken out to a corridor. It's just insane.
You know, if you see a doctor in a mask, I would go and ask to see another doctor.
I'd go so far as to say that, you know, It's an instant IQ assessment for me.
The data's out there about damage. Not only is it pointless, I keep trying to explain, you've got eyes as well.
If you sneeze into somebody's eyes, you still can contract. So unless you've got goggles on.
Doesn't matter what you wear on your face. There are studies that show it's dangerous to your blood gas.
You can become hypercapnic, hypoxic.
Quite swiftly, I have to put in one arm. Spoke to a lady at my son's optician appointment last week, and you could see she was struggling to breathe.
You're speaking and she's and you can see it bellowing out and just like you don't need to put that on, it doesn't work, but her excuse to me was it just makes the older patients feel safer, but it's fraud isn't it, it doesn't it doesn't do what it says on the tin but that's just a small cog in this deception isn't it. 

One last question on the GMC and then maybe touching some of the cases you have seen what powers do the GMC have? 

They've got the power to end your career, literally, so that's where we are with my particular cases, that they're going to, two people get to decide, one's a lay person and I don't get to speak to these people. I've got the opportunity to write a written rebuttal and they turn the sand timer off 14 days ago so I've left it for a few days and I've got 14 more days to respond and then that goes to a decision maker which is a doctor, a lay person to decide is it fitness to practice or not and that's where the fun begins if it is a fitness to practice and in a kind of dark way. I hope they do because I hope to air my facts and figures to them in public and I think this is the reason they haven't taken some of the higher profile doctors to fitness to practice because it goes on public record. We come out with all of our data, we talk about excess mortality, we talk about our clinical experiences and it all comes out in the open and I don't think they want that. That's why they go for things like bullying and online harassment and breaking the social media guidance or there's a new guidance come out on LGBTQ+ now, all you need to do is offend, that's the measure now you have to leave your faith for example at the door and if the level of being able to report the doctor to the GMC is just merely offending somebody with your view and again at that fitness to practice that literally is what it says on the tin, are you fit to practice or not and we see it now in some of the cases of people being struck off, it's very nefarious, people are, and it's not based on safety, it doesn't seem to be harming patients that brings about the charges are being struck off anymore it can be what you're offending somebody or you know your twitter feed or retweeting an Andrew Tate video for example, it's just bizarre I mean what what jurisdiction should the GMC have over my private, where's that private, public social media. I've got freedom of speech, you know, I'm a lot of these views and they're quite you know within their rights to debate me but I'm two and a half years in now, not a single doctor, no one from the LMC, no one from the GMC, no one from the NHS, the chief medical officer runs away from me down here, the MP runs away from me down here.
No one wants to have the conversation and so we all know what that is.
But it's just so dark, isn't it, that, you know, a good doctor here is not able to work in one of the most under doctored areas of the NHS.
And, you know, it's only patients that suffer. It's not me. I'm doing okay with my private work, you know, so, you know, it's one of those.

Well, actually, let's touch on that, the private work side on your website.
Let people know what they can find because this is, I think, a way forward and what you're offering is essential and exciting that's happening, it's sad to see it has to happen.
But tell us what people, is it people in the local area that they can basically connect with you and have a diagnosis?

Yeah, so the service has been set up with a deliberate eye on what the GMC have been up to.
So I've kind of called it a kind of off-grid, off-matrix kind of medical experience.
So I don't know anyone else who's doing it, really. So it's kind of novel in its approach.
So I've had to be careful what I call it. Obviously, I am a GP, I'm a doctor, so I'm allowed to use those titles.
But I've had to kind of draw a line as to what needs to be regulated and what I can do in an unregulated fashion.
So for example, if I prescribe a drug, that needs to be regulated.
You need a GMC license to practice, CQC registration.
Now, if I keep patient notes, I need GDPR regulation. So I've had to pitch it, the model, at where I can be unregulated, like a life coach, for example.
So I call what I do health coaching.
I call it clinical navigation, clinical signposting. I call it health advocacy.
And that's what I do. I'm a voice of reason. I'm a medically trained person, ex-scientist, that is there for patients to come to and listen.
One of the key things I get is as to why people book in with me is, A, that they trust me for standing up against all of this this nonsense, so it's a trust issue and that trust has been lost. These people you're never gonna trust doctors ever again.
And they come to me because they value my opinion and I listen.
It's a simple case of having an hour, you know, I charge in a very ethical price, you know, it's far below what, you know, the standards for a private GP appointment would be.
It's a quarter of that. And I sit with the patient for an hour and I listen and I take the history.
And even this very morning, I had three cases of vaccine injured patients that just, they were quite emotional, really, both the two younger girls, because they just got heard.
They were listened to and acknowledged instead of being gas lit and told it was all in their head and there was absolutely no chance of that.
But going back to the service, it's growing month on month.
It's going really well. I work from this office.
I work every morning seven days a week, 363 days a year.
So accessibility is there. You get the same doctor twice.
You actually get a doctor, which is a bonus.
In general practice, if you actually get a doctor, you've struck gold, haven't you?
So they're the USPs really, and you'll get an honest opinion.
Sometimes I do have to direct people back into the NHS to take our blood tests, for example.
But that's what I'm there for. I'm a health advocate.
And so like one of the patients this morning, I've written what I call a kick the doctor up the backside letter to get the doctor to do some basic investigations with a girl that's been having chest pain and palpitations within a week of the vaccine.
And they haven't even done an ECG.
They've done their blood tests. a referral for 24-hour ECG monitoring. They've not done a referral for an echocardiogram. Just basics. You know, we're seeing a lot of clinical and criminal negligence now in the patients that I see, particularly from the vaccine injury community. So that's what you get in a nutshell.
So yeah, go to drcartland.com and have a peek.

Tell us more about what you're seeing because I'm assuming that you may see people that have gone to their doctor, nothing's happening, the doctor refuses to even consider this could be vaccine injury and therefore they come across you and speak to you. But tell us kind of how that's worked and what are some of the stories that you've heard from patients? 

Yeah so the stories are quite classic actually. So what I would say from the outset is I've not spoke to a vaccine injured patient that has got the same story. So there's different kind of severities of symptoms, there's different timelines, there's some are immediate, some are sort of medium term, some are slightly longer term. But the one thing that's really consistent with these patients is that temporal relationship to the vaccine. They're in good health, the two patients this morning.
In good health, fit and healthy. One was an 18 year old and within two days of having the vaccine and the second patient was within two weeks having some heart pain, chest discomfort.
They then venture off to their doctor and every case is the same.
The doctor will immediately, as soon as the patient mentions the vaccine word, that's it.
It's almost like crucifix comes out at that point. The room changes, the mood changes, the aggression levels of the doctor change and they dismiss the patient with immediate effect and just say, look, this is absolutely 100% nothing to do with the vaccine whatsoever.
But these are the same doctors, if you remember, that had, you know, they were putting down COVID-19 for every death. You know, you can have a positive test and get struck by lightning the day after. And they put COVID-19 as a death certificate, they'll put in COVID-19 as 1A when people have died of cancer.
And it was quite extraordinary. But what they're telling these people is, either it's in their head, the amount of people who've got bizarre symptoms, and some people have got some really eclectic, strange, medically unexplainable symptoms.
So they come and they've got a bit of this and a bit of that, and it doesn't fit into a conventional diagnosis or criteria to diagnose things like MS, for example.
They get brain fog with numb left arm with weakness of the right calf and incontinence of urine, for example.
That doesn't fit into any conventional neurological diagnosis. I'm hearing of cases where neurologists are seeing the patients.
Telling them it's absolutely not 100% nothing to do with the vaccine. They're not even touching the patient with a tendon hammer. They're not examining them and just dismissing them as functional neurological disorder, aka they're making it up. It's in their head, despite you know, coming on two days after the vaccine. The latest thing I'm hearing is they're telling vaccine injury patients that it's from long COVID, everything's long COVID. So these doctors who deny a day after the vaccine, somebody, you know, going into fits, is anything to do with the vaccine, are the same doctors who were saying, oh, actually, the latest one is even more dark, asymptomatic long COVID. So I'll give you a real life example of a 31 year old who I saw about a month ago at surgery, who had two AstraZeneca's. After each AstraZeneca, she had a blood clot on her leg, one on each leg. Then they went on to booster with a Moderna in December this year, just gone. And this was a 31 year old girl. She had a mini stroke a week later and then she had a full-blown stroke.
And when she had to have surgery, a bilateral stroke, blood clots on the brain.
And she was told, and I saw this in the neurological letters, that she'd been, this was from an asymptomatic COVID-19, long COVID infection, that had caused a stroke and this was all within a month of a Moderna booster. Absolutely incredible and then, you know, I tell patients, you know, it's highly likely but the issue we've got here is really that we can't ever prove it.
There isn't really a way of absolutely proving it. We're looking at ways of really nailing this correlation, causation thing now.
So there is a way of finding out antibodies, if you've got antibodies, for example, to nucleocapsid protein and the S-protein, and if you've got both, then there's an equal argument that it could have been the COVID infection.
But what we have got now is patients that are just measuring for antibodies for the S-protein, which is a spike protein, and not the nucleocapsid protein.
So that completely knocks out the possibility that it can be long COVID-related, because there's no evidence of the nucleocapsid protein.
So we need to find that test that really is that eureka moment in helping these patients.
And a lot of work I do is around spike protein detox.
And we're all, whether you believe in shedding or not, that's up for discussion, but we really need to get detoxifying our bodies and I've really turned myself around in the last eight or nine weeks because I've been vaccinated as you know, and it's really messed with me, it's messing my cognition, my memory, lots of brain fogs, lots of mental fatigue, obviously there's a lot of confounders here about all the stress going on, but at the same time, I felt like I was going into dementia at 41 years of age and really turned it around. So anyone who's got any concerns about spike protein, obviously not just me, don't just contact me. I'm not just selling my service.
There are lots of protocols out there now from World Council for Health, People's Health Alliance.
You've got the FLCCC, I Recover Protocol.
My protocol is publicly available on Twitter for free. It's all about detoxification of the spike protein.
That's the pathology here.
And that's common across the board. It really was a flawed thing to do, get the body to produce this non-human spike protein through the mRNA.
Surprise, surprise, it's causing autoimmunity, it's causing cancers, it's causing inflammation in the body, it's causing immune system destruction, it's causing micro-plotting, endothelial dysfunction.
It really is poisonous stuff. So yeah, anyone who's had a jab needs to look at, for themselves and for their relatives and loved ones, what we can to get rid of the spike protein.
Lots of literature out there.

Yeah, PHA, certainly World Health Alliance, fantastic work.
So what you're basically pointing out is they are providing solutions.

Absolutely, yeah. And these are grassroots organizations picking up momentum with each passing month.
Both of the aforementioned, they're grassroots, they're run by people that give a lot of time for free to help set up an alternative to the NHS.
And, you know, honesty is at the centre of it all, you know, being open, being honest, and not for profit.
None of these people are here to make money. They're here to provide a service.
And if you go, for example, to the PHA website, you'll see that there's a whole directory of people that can help.
It's not just the NHS. It's not, you don't have to go with the Stockholm syndrome, of going through the primary care system and being gaslit, you know, go contact people.
There's directories of people that are, Naturopathic is the best way to put it.
It doesn't have to be drugs. My own protocol's got one medicine on there, the rest is all plant-based. Anti-inflammatories, supplements, things like that.
Things like keto diets, paleo-ketogenic diet, carnivore diets, that can really help get your body detoxed from anything from spike protein to heavy metals and all the crap that's in our food.
We're toxic people now because it's everywhere. It's in the food chain, it's in the water, it's in the sky.
So we're getting, you need to detox.

100%. Can I just ask you about doctors, whenever a patient goes to a doctor, are doctors kind of given information they go by, or is it purely in their head? Because obviously when someone comes in they refuse to accept it's vaccine harm. Is that simply because they're in, I guess, in some ways the pocket of the pharma industry, or because they just are too busy, they haven't looked, or because they're following guidance from elsewhere?

A bit of everything, really. I think when I do get to chat to it, and I do all the time, I get told not to talk about COVID in surgeries. I make it my business to enlighten the staff that are vaccinating people. So I worked in a room last week with a lady who was jabbing pregnant moms and kids with the COVID vaccine, so she was enlightened by me. So what I would say is the combination of doctors have got egos, number one, egos and God complexity, thinking they are the powers that be.
Number two, they're complicit.
They've been putting these jabs into people's arms.
What's more concerning is people who've been jabbing through the last two and a half years don't even know that it's a novel technology.
You completely lose them when you talk about gene therapy and immunomodulatory therapy.
MRNA, a paramedic last week said, what's MRNA?
And she'd been jabbing it into people's arms for the last two and a half years.
And really that's not acceptable. The only defence I do have, and again, I've been dabbling a little bit back into the NHS the last few months, is that your just run ragged.
You start your day at eight o'clock, you finish at six.
Your halftime break's a home visit, where you're driving around, particularly in Cornwall, like there's quite distance the homes are from the surgery.
And so you're driving with your sandwich in your mouth and your crisps while you're driving around, and you get back and you start again.
It's like eat, sleep, repeat, and you don't have time.
That's my only slight defence is that you run ragged and I think deliberately so.
So doctors just haven't got the energy.
You know, those days I did a few weeks ago, I haven't got time to get up and read the Lancet Journal or the evidence data for excess mortality. And it's not a good enough excuse, but you know, it's a factor in the equation that needs to be considered, that people are run ragged.
And hence they don't know the Pfizer data, you know, the Pfizer documents that I've read cover to cover.
These people haven't even heard of the Pfizer documents because they're that frazzled at the end of the day.
And then the money, you know, it's been a big money maker for the whole of primary care hospitals.
You know, they've cleared their debts from all of this. So I'll never understand why doctors aren't putting two and two together when you've got somebody that in a very short timeframe after a novel gene therapy, you know, has developed X, Y, and Z symptoms and how it can't be in the differential diagnosis at the least, that's just clinical negligence.
You know, it's, this whole denial of the timeframe, you know, these well healthy young people. I've had some harrowing stories in the last few months of people that have lost legs, lost the use of the legs, you know, becoming incontinent, transverse myelitis, MS cases, turbo cancers, blood clots at the age of 18, all in proximity to the vaccine. All of them have one thing in common, it's absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine, according to their medical professional. It's just not good enough because we have to start helping these people. One thing's for sure, I've never jabbed a single individual. I've not given an mRNA jab to a single human, but I'm the only one seeming, along with a small pocket of UK doctors, trying to find answers and solutions. And we work day and night, and we're the bad boys of the profession, working day and night, often for nothing, to try and find solutions to what will be looked back on as the biggest crime against humanity. Of that, I'm certain. 

100% agree with you. Dr David Cartland, I really appreciate you coming on, giving us an update on what's happening with you and what you're seeing as a professional. I'm assuming the best place is on your Twitter. They can follow what's happening with the GMC and whenever you're coming, as you're going through that process, you'll keep your followers up to date on @CartlandDavid. 

That's the one. There are a few imposters, nice to be popular, but if you type in David Cartland into Twitter, you'll see there's about 25 versions of me, but that, you've got the twitter tag right there on the screen, so look out for the imposters because they are asking people for money personal details and you try to report to twitter to stop them but no, if they put parody in their profile they're allowed to say what they want, it's incredible, the amount of bullying I've had Peter is just, it's incredible, and yet I'm in the dock for being a bully, it's so bittersweet really to accept. 

Hmm, no completely. Well yeah, @CartlandDavid, make sure and get it right.
Nowhere else but there. 

David, thank you so much for your time today.

No, thanks for having me. It's always good to share what I'm seeing.